Add results from latest TC Chair election

[debian-ctte.git] / meetings / 20160127 / debian-ctte.2016-01-27-17.59.log.txt

17:59:07 <dondelelcaro> #startmeeting
17:59:07 <MeetBot> Meeting started Wed Jan 27 17:59:07 2016 UTC.  The chair is dondelelcaro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:59:12 <dondelelcaro> #topic Who is here?
17:59:16 <dondelelcaro> Don Armstrong
17:59:17 <hartmans> Sam Hartman
17:59:22 <keithp> Keith Packard
17:59:32 <dondelelcaro> I know that tfheen and odyx have sent regrets
17:59:53 <dondelelcaro> err, Mithrandir is the right nick. ;-)
17:59:56 <dondelelcaro> aba: ping
18:00:32 <dondelelcaro> #topic Next Meeting?
18:00:44 <dondelelcaro> currently the winner is the same time slot, which is what I've scheduled it as
18:00:54 <dondelelcaro> (well, one of the winners)
18:01:01 <dondelelcaro> if this is bad for anyone, please change your vote
18:01:15 <dondelelcaro> I'll finalize the next meeting in two weeks
18:01:22 <dondelelcaro> #action dondelelcaro to finalize next meeting in two weeks
18:01:25 <keithp> sounds good
18:01:39 <dondelelcaro> #topic #741573 Menu systems - Debian Policy followup
18:02:03 <dondelelcaro> I tried to restart this discussion, but nothing really happened, and I haven't had enough time to sit down and run through it myself
18:02:46 <hartmans> Did tdhe initial NMU ever happen?
18:02:48 <dondelelcaro> no
18:02:58 <keithp> hartmans: I don't think anything moved at all
18:03:01 <dondelelcaro> we had discussed trying to go through the usual process without an NMU
18:03:10 <dondelelcaro> but I was supposed to do an NMU if the usual process didn't occur
18:03:42 <keithp> dondelelcaro: sounds like it's time
18:03:51 <dondelelcaro> yeah, I think so
18:04:03 <dondelelcaro> do any of you object?
18:04:20 <hartmans> I certainly don't object to the NMU with the wording we clearly approved.
18:04:43 <dondelelcaro> cool. the NMU would be restricted to just introducing that wording, and nothing more
18:04:50 <hartmans> Long term if debian-policy is unwilling to take up the issue we may need to develop something for the second part, but that would take specific cycles here.
18:04:51 <keithp> of course
18:05:00 <dondelelcaro> OK
18:05:13 <dondelelcaro> I'll announce my intention to NMU, and upload to delayed/7 or similar
18:05:18 <keithp> thanks
18:05:23 <hartmans> yes, thanks
18:05:24 <dondelelcaro> #action dondelelcaro to NMU policy according to decision on menu policy
18:05:37 <dondelelcaro> that won't hapen until this weekend, I think, but I'll get on it
18:05:47 <dondelelcaro> #topic #771070 Coordinate plan and requirements for cross toolchain packages in Debian
18:05:50 <keithp> no fosdemo for you?
18:06:01 <dondelelcaro> no; I really should go one of these years
18:06:13 <dondelelcaro> working on getting three papers out right now
18:06:32 <jcristau> keithp: you'll be there?
18:06:58 <keithp> jcristau: no, austrailia instead
18:07:26 <jcristau> should be warmer
18:07:27 <dondelelcaro> with #771070, I think this is still waiting on the plan to be written up, but the current state is relatively functional
18:07:45 <dondelelcaro> I think we should probably write this up to document what happened, and then close the bug
18:07:53 <keithp> dondelelcaro: sounds like a good idea to me
18:08:24 <dondelelcaro> IE, this issue was presented to the CTTE, we mediated, and stakeholders have come up with a plan which they will communicate
18:08:48 <keithp> seems like a short note on the bug and then just closing it would suffice
18:08:53 <dondelelcaro> yeah
18:09:13 <dondelelcaro> well, I'd rather put it together as a statement and vote on it
18:09:21 <dondelelcaro> but it'll effectively be the same
18:09:30 <dondelelcaro> (since statements are non-binding)
18:09:47 <dondelelcaro> hartmans: does that work for you, too?
18:10:14 <hartmans> I don't object; I'm not convinced we need to vote on it, but that may become obvious when you get text.
18:10:36 <dondelelcaro> #topic #802159 New OpenSSL upstream version
18:10:43 <dondelelcaro> the SRMs are looking at this
18:10:55 <dondelelcaro> I don't think we need to do anything here
18:11:16 <hartmans> Shall we close offering that if anyone wants us to take specific action they can reopen?
18:11:27 <dondelelcaro> sounds good to me
18:11:44 <dondelelcaro> hartmans: would you take care of that?
18:11:52 <hartmans> sure action me please
18:12:03 <keithp> awesome
18:12:06 <dondelelcaro> #action hartmans to close #802159 offering to take specific action if someone reopens it
18:12:14 <dondelelcaro> #topic #797533 New CTTE members
18:12:30 <hartmans> I sent out mail--sorry about the delay.
18:12:36 <dondelelcaro> no problem; glad that it got started
18:12:51 <hartmans> I am really uncomfortable that we're making a decision with basically a sentence to a paragraph of support for an appointment.
18:12:54 <dondelelcaro> I think I should send out an e-mail to d-d-a indicating that we've got the nominees and are deliberating
18:13:18 <hartmans> That said, I don't know how to get from where we are to somewhere useful.
18:13:33 <hartmans> I did ask a couple of questions, but I'm not sure that really gives us much more.
18:13:56 <keithp> hartmans: do you want some kind of interview process for each candidate?
18:14:04 <hartmans> I suspect that the process this year is as good as previous processes.
18:14:11 <dondelelcaro> hartmans: I personally am not; I'm weighing much more heavily how people have behaved on mailing lists and in bug reports and similar
18:14:49 <hartmans> Yes, there're fairly big problems with that from a diversity problem.
18:14:55 <dondelelcaro> that tells me much more about their technical thinking and how they interact than anything they could say in an interview or in response to CTTE questions
18:15:09 <hartmans> If you're mostly making a decision based on your personal observations, then you can only select people you know, or they have a huge advantage.
18:15:22 <hartmans> That tends to be bad for the organization long-term.
18:15:43 <dondelelcaro> hartmans: that's true; I'm certianly open to additional information gathering
18:15:53 <keithp> hartmans: not personal observations, but the whole recorded history of interactions with the project
18:16:04 <hartmans> But yes, I do have that sort of information on the nominees we have, and if that's what I have, it's certainly what I'll use.
18:16:39 <hartmans> keithp: Do you have confidence in your tools for finding and reviewing that?  Would you be willing to write up a summary of what you've done and what you found?
18:17:10 <hartmans> Because yes, we do have history and if we've actually gone through a significant chunk of it, rather than basing on our memories, then that would be good.
18:17:13 <keithp> hartmans: nothing more than google, I'm afraid
18:17:33 <dondelelcaro> why don't we all write up a brief summary of the interactions we've noted for each candidate?
18:17:36 <hartmans> OK, but you have googled the nominees and gone through a significant chunk of their approaches/messages?
18:17:41 <hartmans> That would be a very valuable writup
18:18:06 <dondelelcaro> that way it's not being put on a single person, and we hopefully will find different things
18:18:07 <keithp> hartmans: I'll try to recreate it and write it up
18:18:27 <hartmans> don: sounds good.  I'll certainly write up what I have.
18:18:49 <dondelelcaro> lets try to get those writeups done in the next three weeks
18:19:11 <dondelelcaro> #action everyone to write up information on each of the nominees to present to the -private mailing list
18:19:33 <dondelelcaro> #action dondelelcaro to thank nominees in a d-d-a announcement without mentioning them by name
18:19:43 <dondelelcaro> #topic Additional Business
18:20:41 <dondelelcaro> anything else?
18:21:12 <keithp> three bugs closed in one meeting? Has to be a record...
18:21:50 <dondelelcaro> yeah; if we get them closed, we'll only have the new members open, which will be great
18:22:36 <keithp> good place to have new members join
18:22:58 <dondelelcaro> yep
18:23:16 <hartmans> nod
18:23:21 * hartmans is closing now
18:23:33 <dondelelcaro> ok; I'll stop here
18:23:35 <dondelelcaro> #endmeeting