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+17:59:07 <dondelelcaro> #startmeeting
+17:59:07 <MeetBot> Meeting started Wed Jan 27 17:59:07 2016 UTC. The chair is dondelelcaro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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+17:59:12 <dondelelcaro> #topic Who is here?
+17:59:16 <dondelelcaro> Don Armstrong
+17:59:17 <hartmans> Sam Hartman
+17:59:22 <keithp> Keith Packard
+17:59:32 <dondelelcaro> I know that tfheen and odyx have sent regrets
+17:59:53 <dondelelcaro> err, Mithrandir is the right nick. ;-)
+17:59:56 <dondelelcaro> aba: ping
+18:00:32 <dondelelcaro> #topic Next Meeting?
+18:00:44 <dondelelcaro> currently the winner is the same time slot, which is what I've scheduled it as
+18:00:54 <dondelelcaro> (well, one of the winners)
+18:01:01 <dondelelcaro> if this is bad for anyone, please change your vote
+18:01:15 <dondelelcaro> I'll finalize the next meeting in two weeks
+18:01:22 <dondelelcaro> #action dondelelcaro to finalize next meeting in two weeks
+18:01:25 <keithp> sounds good
+18:01:39 <dondelelcaro> #topic #741573 Menu systems - Debian Policy followup
+18:02:03 <dondelelcaro> I tried to restart this discussion, but nothing really happened, and I haven't had enough time to sit down and run through it myself
+18:02:46 <hartmans> Did tdhe initial NMU ever happen?
+18:02:48 <dondelelcaro> no
+18:02:58 <keithp> hartmans: I don't think anything moved at all
+18:03:01 <dondelelcaro> we had discussed trying to go through the usual process without an NMU
+18:03:10 <dondelelcaro> but I was supposed to do an NMU if the usual process didn't occur
+18:03:42 <keithp> dondelelcaro: sounds like it's time
+18:03:51 <dondelelcaro> yeah, I think so
+18:04:03 <dondelelcaro> do any of you object?
+18:04:20 <hartmans> I certainly don't object to the NMU with the wording we clearly approved.
+18:04:43 <dondelelcaro> cool. the NMU would be restricted to just introducing that wording, and nothing more
+18:04:50 <hartmans> Long term if debian-policy is unwilling to take up the issue we may need to develop something for the second part, but that would take specific cycles here.
+18:04:51 <keithp> of course
+18:05:00 <dondelelcaro> OK
+18:05:13 <dondelelcaro> I'll announce my intention to NMU, and upload to delayed/7 or similar
+18:05:18 <keithp> thanks
+18:05:23 <hartmans> yes, thanks
+18:05:24 <dondelelcaro> #action dondelelcaro to NMU policy according to decision on menu policy
+18:05:37 <dondelelcaro> that won't hapen until this weekend, I think, but I'll get on it
+18:05:47 <dondelelcaro> #topic #771070 Coordinate plan and requirements for cross toolchain packages in Debian
+18:05:50 <keithp> no fosdemo for you?
+18:06:01 <dondelelcaro> no; I really should go one of these years
+18:06:13 <dondelelcaro> working on getting three papers out right now
+18:06:32 <jcristau> keithp: you'll be there?
+18:06:58 <keithp> jcristau: no, austrailia instead
+18:07:26 <jcristau> should be warmer
+18:07:27 <dondelelcaro> with #771070, I think this is still waiting on the plan to be written up, but the current state is relatively functional
+18:07:45 <dondelelcaro> I think we should probably write this up to document what happened, and then close the bug
+18:07:53 <keithp> dondelelcaro: sounds like a good idea to me
+18:08:24 <dondelelcaro> IE, this issue was presented to the CTTE, we mediated, and stakeholders have come up with a plan which they will communicate
+18:08:48 <keithp> seems like a short note on the bug and then just closing it would suffice
+18:08:53 <dondelelcaro> yeah
+18:09:13 <dondelelcaro> well, I'd rather put it together as a statement and vote on it
+18:09:21 <dondelelcaro> but it'll effectively be the same
+18:09:30 <dondelelcaro> (since statements are non-binding)
+18:09:47 <dondelelcaro> hartmans: does that work for you, too?
+18:10:14 <hartmans> I don't object; I'm not convinced we need to vote on it, but that may become obvious when you get text.
+18:10:36 <dondelelcaro> #topic #802159 New OpenSSL upstream version
+18:10:43 <dondelelcaro> the SRMs are looking at this
+18:10:55 <dondelelcaro> I don't think we need to do anything here
+18:11:16 <hartmans> Shall we close offering that if anyone wants us to take specific action they can reopen?
+18:11:27 <dondelelcaro> sounds good to me
+18:11:44 <dondelelcaro> hartmans: would you take care of that?
+18:11:52 <hartmans> sure action me please
+18:12:03 <keithp> awesome
+18:12:06 <dondelelcaro> #action hartmans to close #802159 offering to take specific action if someone reopens it
+18:12:14 <dondelelcaro> #topic #797533 New CTTE members
+18:12:30 <hartmans> I sent out mail--sorry about the delay.
+18:12:36 <dondelelcaro> no problem; glad that it got started
+18:12:51 <hartmans> I am really uncomfortable that we're making a decision with basically a sentence to a paragraph of support for an appointment.
+18:12:54 <dondelelcaro> I think I should send out an e-mail to d-d-a indicating that we've got the nominees and are deliberating
+18:13:18 <hartmans> That said, I don't know how to get from where we are to somewhere useful.
+18:13:33 <hartmans> I did ask a couple of questions, but I'm not sure that really gives us much more.
+18:13:56 <keithp> hartmans: do you want some kind of interview process for each candidate?
+18:14:04 <hartmans> I suspect that the process this year is as good as previous processes.
+18:14:11 <dondelelcaro> hartmans: I personally am not; I'm weighing much more heavily how people have behaved on mailing lists and in bug reports and similar
+18:14:49 <hartmans> Yes, there're fairly big problems with that from a diversity problem.
+18:14:55 <dondelelcaro> that tells me much more about their technical thinking and how they interact than anything they could say in an interview or in response to CTTE questions
+18:15:09 <hartmans> If you're mostly making a decision based on your personal observations, then you can only select people you know, or they have a huge advantage.
+18:15:22 <hartmans> That tends to be bad for the organization long-term.
+18:15:43 <dondelelcaro> hartmans: that's true; I'm certianly open to additional information gathering
+18:15:53 <keithp> hartmans: not personal observations, but the whole recorded history of interactions with the project
+18:16:04 <hartmans> But yes, I do have that sort of information on the nominees we have, and if that's what I have, it's certainly what I'll use.
+18:16:39 <hartmans> keithp: Do you have confidence in your tools for finding and reviewing that? Would you be willing to write up a summary of what you've done and what you found?
+18:17:10 <hartmans> Because yes, we do have history and if we've actually gone through a significant chunk of it, rather than basing on our memories, then that would be good.
+18:17:13 <keithp> hartmans: nothing more than google, I'm afraid
+18:17:33 <dondelelcaro> why don't we all write up a brief summary of the interactions we've noted for each candidate?
+18:17:36 <hartmans> OK, but you have googled the nominees and gone through a significant chunk of their approaches/messages?
+18:17:41 <hartmans> That would be a very valuable writup
+18:18:06 <dondelelcaro> that way it's not being put on a single person, and we hopefully will find different things
+18:18:07 <keithp> hartmans: I'll try to recreate it and write it up
+18:18:27 <hartmans> don: sounds good. I'll certainly write up what I have.
+18:18:49 <dondelelcaro> lets try to get those writeups done in the next three weeks
+18:19:11 <dondelelcaro> #action everyone to write up information on each of the nominees to present to the -private mailing list
+18:19:33 <dondelelcaro> #action dondelelcaro to thank nominees in a d-d-a announcement without mentioning them by name
+18:19:43 <dondelelcaro> #topic Additional Business
+18:20:41 <dondelelcaro> anything else?
+18:21:12 <keithp> three bugs closed in one meeting? Has to be a record...
+18:21:50 <dondelelcaro> yeah; if we get them closed, we'll only have the new members open, which will be great
+18:22:36 <keithp> good place to have new members join
+18:22:58 <dondelelcaro> yep
+18:23:16 <hartmans> nod
+18:23:21 * hartmans is closing now
+18:23:33 <dondelelcaro> ok; I'll stop here
+18:23:35 <dondelelcaro> #endmeeting
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+====================
+#debian-ctte Meeting
+====================
+
+
+Meeting started by dondelelcaro at 17:59:07 UTC. The full logs are
+available at
+http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2016/debian-ctte.2016-01-27-17.59.log.html
+.
+
+
+
+Meeting summary
+---------------
+* Who is here? (dondelelcaro, 17:59:12)
+
+* Next Meeting? (dondelelcaro, 18:00:32)
+ * ACTION: dondelelcaro to finalize next meeting in two weeks
+ (dondelelcaro, 18:01:22)
+
+* #741573 Menu systems - Debian Policy followup (dondelelcaro,
+ 18:01:39)
+ * ACTION: dondelelcaro to NMU policy according to decision on menu
+ policy (dondelelcaro, 18:05:24)
+
+* #771070 Coordinate plan and requirements for cross toolchain packages
+ in Debian (dondelelcaro, 18:05:47)
+
+* #802159 New OpenSSL upstream version (dondelelcaro, 18:10:36)
+ * ACTION: hartmans to close #802159 offering to take specific action
+ if someone reopens it (dondelelcaro, 18:12:06)
+
+* #797533 New CTTE members (dondelelcaro, 18:12:14)
+ * ACTION: everyone to write up information on each of the nominees to
+ present to the -private mailing list (dondelelcaro, 18:19:11)
+ * ACTION: dondelelcaro to thank nominees in a d-d-a announcement
+ without mentioning them by name (dondelelcaro, 18:19:33)
+
+* Additional Business (dondelelcaro, 18:19:43)
+
+Meeting ended at 18:23:35 UTC.
+
+
+
+
+Action Items
+------------
+* dondelelcaro to finalize next meeting in two weeks
+* dondelelcaro to NMU policy according to decision on menu policy
+* hartmans to close #802159 offering to take specific action if someone
+ reopens it
+* everyone to write up information on each of the nominees to present to
+ the -private mailing list
+* dondelelcaro to thank nominees in a d-d-a announcement without
+ mentioning them by name
+
+
+
+
+Action Items, by person
+-----------------------
+* dondelelcaro
+ * dondelelcaro to finalize next meeting in two weeks
+ * dondelelcaro to NMU policy according to decision on menu policy
+ * dondelelcaro to thank nominees in a d-d-a announcement without
+ mentioning them by name
+* hartmans
+ * hartmans to close #802159 offering to take specific action if
+ someone reopens it
+* **UNASSIGNED**
+ * everyone to write up information on each of the nominees to present
+ to the -private mailing list
+
+
+
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