From 95994510aba2bffa8842efeec3cdd15332767968 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Didier Raboud Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 20:33:46 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] Add 20180117 meeting --- .../debian-ctte.2018-01-17-18.58.log.txt | 125 ++++++++++++++++++ .../20180117/debian-ctte.2018-01-17-18.58.txt | 101 ++++++++++++++ meetings/agenda.txt | 2 + 3 files changed, 228 insertions(+) create mode 100644 meetings/20180117/debian-ctte.2018-01-17-18.58.log.txt create mode 100644 meetings/20180117/debian-ctte.2018-01-17-18.58.txt diff --git a/meetings/20180117/debian-ctte.2018-01-17-18.58.log.txt b/meetings/20180117/debian-ctte.2018-01-17-18.58.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..e03d2d1 --- /dev/null +++ b/meetings/20180117/debian-ctte.2018-01-17-18.58.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +18:58:38 #startmeeting +18:58:38 Meeting started Wed Jan 17 18:58:38 2018 UTC. The chair is OdyX. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. +18:58:38 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. +18:58:43 #topic Review of previous meetings' TODOs +18:58:54 ah no wait. +18:59:01 #topic introductions +18:59:04 Didier Raboud +18:59:17 Niko Tyni +19:00:40 at least fil and gwolf are around :-) +19:00:52 :-] +19:01:02 Gunnar Wolf +19:02:10 Mithrandir, marga, bremner: ping +19:02:26 * marga Margarita Manterola +19:03:04 Sorry for the lack of reminder. I still need to get a sort of script running automagically. +19:03:15 Anyway, let's wait until 19:05 to move forward +19:03:38 * gwolf runs for coffee +19:04:47 Philip Hands +19:06:05 #topic Review of previous meetings' TODOs +19:06:21 I haven't had time for any of my two actions. +19:06:30 I also haven't done mine :-/ +19:06:32 I'll just #action myself to do them again. +19:06:41 #action +19:06:51 #action OdyX to suggest making the number of nominees public to the list. +19:07:00 #action OdyX to prepare a short ballot to revoke the previous decision for #883573 +19:07:31 marga: you want to keep yours? +19:07:49 Yes please +19:08:15 #action marga to close #881339 stating that it's not in our power to overrule delegates +19:08:22 #topic #877024 modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports +19:08:48 bremner had an action there, let's wait until he gets to it, or reports to us (public or private) ? +19:08:48 ohhai +19:08:59 Oh there they appears! +19:08:59 not done yet, still on my TODO list +19:09:11 Good. Seems blocking for any further action to me. +19:09:19 January is slow all around the world :] +19:09:40 #topic #880014 2018 - New TC member +19:09:45 Welcome gwolf! +19:09:49 \o/ +19:09:57 hi, apologies for being late, needed to put out a fire at work. +19:10:04 I was wondering why the bug for this is still open +19:10:06 Welcome Gunnar! +19:10:12 Although we had hartmans' resignation, we still managed to get a nomination through. +19:10:13 Welcome Gunnar :-) +19:10:15 ...or if we are still looking for a new member +19:10:18 gwolf: we still have a seat free. +19:10:19 I think it's because I haven't voted :-/ +19:10:28 (we lost Sam and Keith, gained myself...) +19:10:30 We can decide to not fill it for now. +19:10:34 Sorry about not voting. +19:10:47 right, it's between 4 and 8... +19:11:05 … and we lose the two eldest per year given they served long enough. +19:11:17 fil random poking campaign had moderate success with only one nomination. +19:12:12 so, should I make that one prod a day, and leave it running, or just throw out 20 when I remember, or some othre thing? +19:12:17 I'm fine with not filling the seat now. But be aware that Mithrandir and myself expire at the end of 2018. +19:12:27 err. +19:12:31 at least our places on the TC +19:12:32 sounds ominous +19:12:34 phew +19:12:34 + "'s terms" +19:12:43 en_fr_CH sorry. +19:12:46 Yes, please don't expire +19:13:09 :-] +19:13:26 at least we saw a keithp IRC'ing after his term. Not all hope is gone. +19:13:44 The nomination/appointment process can happen at any point in year +19:13:58 Anyway. It's hard to keep momentum on the seat-filling, and I wouldn't prioritize it higher than closing our four other issues +19:14:05 so I'd guess your expiry a point to keep in mind, but not to fret about +19:14:59 Ack. Let's keep the bug open as reminder, and move on. +19:15:09 gwolf: yes, but we also don't want to build up a backlog +19:15:21 (ftr, I feel only moderately responsible to find a replacement to fill in my seat) +19:15:30 OdyX: I'll add the point to it, not to make it seem as erroneously left open +19:15:59 would be great if fil could still try some more poking +19:16:00 #action gwolf to explain on #880014 that it stays open because there's a vacant seat to fill. +19:16:08 yeah, the poking is important. +19:16:32 I also have a action point to propose to communicate the number of valid nominations we have earlier in the process. +19:16:48 (aka, none currently ) +19:16:58 Yes. The view from outside does not reflect reality :-] +19:17:03 err, wrong. Facepalm. +19:17:11 I'm bad at spoilers. +19:17:32 #topic #881339 allow node-babel-preset-env to build depend on itself +19:18:11 marga has an action there; no need to rehash it for me. Those who weren't at the previous meeting, does it sound good ? +19:18:27 #save +19:18:36 lol +19:18:55 (re. spoilers) +19:19:05 I got that :-) +19:20:01 so "Marga to close the bug stating that it's not in our power to overrule delegates" +19:20:16 Yep. +19:21:08 * marga nods +19:21:19 #topic #883573 Reevaluate libpam-systemd systemd-sysv dependency ordering (746578) +19:21:45 I have an action to propose a ballot to "just" repeal the previous decision and let the ecosystem figure it out. +19:21:51 Same question as above :-) +19:22:30 fwiw I actually encountered the related apt issue the other day when systemd-shim was uninstallable due to a library transition +19:23:09 but I think the consensus was that repealing the previous decision should be enough +19:23:37 well. A more specific proposal that doesn't unnecessarily block apt, systemd and other maintainers is fine by me. +19:24:21 I'm fine with just repealing the previous decision, sorry if that was unclear +19:24:28 It was clear :-) +19:24:30 Thanks. +19:24:35 #topic #886267 Voting for TC Chair +19:25:00 This one's outcome is clear and two weeks have passed. I will close it just after the meeting. +19:25:15 Many thanks for your repeated trust! +19:25:23 Yup. My only quip here is that I wasn't aware this was your last year in ctte +19:25:34 OdyX: was your vote a sign that you are tired of doing the job? +19:25:41 It does not feel from the outside like it's terribly hard to learn to be a chair, but... +19:26:16 bremner: no. Just that any other person would be fine too, and I wouldn't necessarily mind being replaced. +19:26:22 OK. +19:26:23 I'd ask/suggest you to step down midyear or so, to continue in ctte while somebody else chairs +19:26:42 seems like a good plan +19:26:52 * marga agrees +19:27:17 Dec+Jan months were crazy in personal+job, but that goes for all months in the year, so don't expect a massive improvement in my chair job :) +19:27:35 we should probably play spoof at DC18, and whoever looses gets the job ;-) +19:27:50 #topic Additional Business +19:27:59 Only formally changing the topic :) +19:28:15 As things look like currently, I'm unlikely (< 20%) to attend DC18. +19:28:36 I'll just state that I'm very happy and honored to be in here. Thanks for your trust! +19:28:38 But as I wouldn't qualify as new chair, spoof is a selection method that works for me. +19:28:58 (no additional business from me) +19:29:06 I don't know what spoof is +19:29:14 * ntyni had to look it up too +19:29:16 It also means it makes sense for someone else to feel responsible for the DC18 traditional TC BoF presentation. +19:29:22 I also don't know if I'll be at DC18. +19:29:40 I guess I'll know closer to the date +19:29:53 I *think* I will be there, but there are severael issues to solve before being certain +19:30:14 not sure about DC18 either but I hope I can make it +19:30:26 Yeah, We'll have more meetings to align ourselves there. Let's close some bugs until then! +19:30:58 #info Next meeting is Feb 21, 19 UTC. +19:31:02 #closemeeting +19:31:07 #endmeeting \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/meetings/20180117/debian-ctte.2018-01-17-18.58.txt b/meetings/20180117/debian-ctte.2018-01-17-18.58.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..600ffde --- /dev/null +++ b/meetings/20180117/debian-ctte.2018-01-17-18.58.txt @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +==================== +#debian-ctte Meeting +==================== + + +Meeting started by OdyX at 18:58:38 UTC. The full logs are available at +http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2018/debian-ctte.2018-01-17-18.58.log.html +. + + + +Meeting summary +--------------- +* Review of previous meetings' TODOs (OdyX, 18:58:43) + +* introductions (OdyX, 18:59:01) + +* Review of previous meetings' TODOs (OdyX, 19:06:05) + * ACTION: (OdyX, 19:06:41) + * ACTION: OdyX to suggest making the number of nominees public to the + list. (OdyX, 19:06:51) + * ACTION: OdyX to prepare a short ballot to revoke the previous + decision for #883573 (OdyX, 19:07:00) + * ACTION: marga to close #881339 stating that it's not in our power to + overrule delegates (OdyX, 19:08:15) + +* #877024 modemmanager should ask before messing with serial ports + (OdyX, 19:08:22) + +* #880014 2018 - New TC member (OdyX, 19:09:40) + * ACTION: gwolf to explain on #880014 that it stays open because + there's a vacant seat to fill. (OdyX, 19:16:00) + +* #881339 allow node-babel-preset-env to build depend on itself (OdyX, + 19:17:32) + +* #883573 Reevaluate libpam-systemd systemd-sysv dependency ordering + (746578) (OdyX, 19:21:19) + +* #886267 Voting for TC Chair (OdyX, 19:24:35) + +* Additional Business (OdyX, 19:27:50) + * Next meeting is Feb 21, 19 UTC. (OdyX, 19:30:58) + +Meeting ended at 19:31:07 UTC. + + + + +Action Items +------------ +* +* OdyX to suggest making the number of nominees public to the list. +* OdyX to prepare a short ballot to revoke the previous decision for + #883573 +* marga to close #881339 stating that it's not in our power to overrule + delegates +* gwolf to explain on #880014 that it stays open because there's a + vacant seat to fill. + + + + +Action Items, by person +----------------------- +* fil + * gwolf to explain on #880014 that it stays open because there's a + vacant seat to fill. +* gwolf + * gwolf to explain on #880014 that it stays open because there's a + vacant seat to fill. +* marga + * marga to close #881339 stating that it's not in our power to + overrule delegates +* OdyX + * OdyX to suggest making the number of nominees public to the list. + * OdyX to prepare a short ballot to revoke the previous decision for + #883573 +* **UNASSIGNED** + * + + + + +People Present (lines said) +--------------------------- +* OdyX (66) +* gwolf (19) +* marga (12) +* ntyni (8) +* bremner (7) +* fil (7) +* Mithrandir (4) +* MeetBot (2) + + + + +Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 + +.. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot diff --git a/meetings/agenda.txt b/meetings/agenda.txt index 593fac7..d23ed64 100644 --- a/meetings/agenda.txt +++ b/meetings/agenda.txt @@ -10,6 +10,8 @@ #topic #883573 Reevaluate libpam-systemd systemd-sysv dependency ordering (746578) +#topic #886267 Voting for TC Chair + #topic Additional Business #endmeeting -- 2.39.2