From 7b7c8679b8c4fe951fc1af61927292bec3b65653 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Didier Raboud Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 21:31:46 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] Add 20170621 meeting --- .../debian-ctte.2017-06-21-18.59.log.txt | 96 +++++++++++++++++++ .../20170621/debian-ctte.2017-06-21-18.59.txt | 88 +++++++++++++++++ 2 files changed, 184 insertions(+) create mode 100644 meetings/20170621/debian-ctte.2017-06-21-18.59.log.txt create mode 100644 meetings/20170621/debian-ctte.2017-06-21-18.59.txt diff --git a/meetings/20170621/debian-ctte.2017-06-21-18.59.log.txt b/meetings/20170621/debian-ctte.2017-06-21-18.59.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..8bc8564 --- /dev/null +++ b/meetings/20170621/debian-ctte.2017-06-21-18.59.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +18:59:31 #startmeeting +18:59:31 Meeting started Wed Jun 21 18:59:31 2017 UTC. The chair is OdyX. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. +18:59:31 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. +18:59:57 #topic Welcome round; who's here? +19:00:04 * marga Margarita Manterola +19:00:07 Didier Raboud +19:00:14 Niko Tyni +19:00:17 Sam Hartman +19:02:06 keithp, Mithrandir, fil, bremner ? +19:03:20 yup, just sitting down +19:03:24 Keith Packard +19:03:32 welcome ntyni! +19:03:57 Indeed, welcome ntyni ! +19:04:05 thanks :) +19:04:57 Let's move on. +19:05:03 #topic new TC member. +19:05:12 Hi Nico! +19:05:28 We need to send some closure note to the other contenders +19:05:47 Yes +19:05:50 (and eventually start keithp's replacement round; but I'm thinking it's too early). +19:05:52 I was just thinking that. +19:06:02 I could send a round of emails this weekend +19:06:15 closure, or reopening, or both ? +19:06:25 Closure +19:06:34 We can re-open in Sept? Oct? +19:06:40 Let's give us some breathing time... +19:07:01 a summer vacation? +19:07:17 marga: I concur. +19:07:26 agreed +19:07:48 #action marga to send closure mails to other contenders (which list stays TC-only). +19:08:04 #topic #862051 Rename nodejs back to node for buster, now that ax25-node has been removed? +19:08:27 I think there was pretty clear consensus here, do we need a vote? +19:09:02 I don't think we do. +19:09:05 I think I'm fine with the consensus too fwiw +19:09:24 I can close the bug saying we're in agreement, and that anyone can reopen iff they want a formal vote. +19:09:36 makes sense +19:09:37 works for me +19:10:03 wfm as well +19:10:06 #action OdyX to close #862051 by saying we have a consensus, and offering the possibility for a reopen + formal vote. +19:10:14 #topic #839172 TC decision regarding #741573 menu policy not reflected yet +19:10:35 This is the thing we said we would postpone till DebConf or earlier if we had time +19:10:38 That's waiting on either marga to get something started AFAIK, or me (welcoming help of course) to draft something during DebConf. +19:11:25 I'm not quite current with this thing yet and I'm not sure whether I need to be +19:11:38 It would be great if you did catch up eventually +19:11:39 #info Apparently the Debian Policy editors are considering having a sprint at DebConf +19:11:59 #url https://lists.debian.org/debian-policy/2017/06/msg00060.html +19:12:00 so we should participate in that and bring a draft along? +19:12:01 Did someone check that it's really not reflected yet? There were a bunch of new updates +19:12:15 I didn't. +19:12:45 apologies for being late, I'm here now. +19:13:11 ntyni: the point is that the TC decided to emit policy about "menu" (removing the mandatory aspect), and that (last I looked), it isn't reflected in Policy yet. +19:13:43 right, thanks +19:14:13 I don't think we are in a position to act, due to lack of capacity, unfortunately. +19:15:47 #info No capacity right now, DebConf is the next availability window target. +19:15:51 #topic TC chair +19:16:07 OdyX: are you still up for it? +19:16:18 I am. +19:16:33 As you all know, we have agreed to follow a procedure, triggering a formal TC chair vote at every membership vote. +19:16:41 (see procedures.md in our git ntyni ) +19:16:52 yeah, I got that far :) +19:17:28 If we're almost all here, I'm all for reducing pointless administrativia. +19:17:52 my proposal is : we designate a chair here+now unless anyone wants a formal vote. +19:18:18 I agree with the here and now +19:18:21 I'm leaning slightly towards a formal vote. +19:18:30 the point is: I'm all for a formal vote, and am never taking any such role designations personally, so if you prefer a formal vote, then so be it. +19:18:54 but I can be convinced otherwise, it just feels like if we've agreed to a procedure and it's not that much overhead, there's value to sticking to it and being predictable. +19:19:20 I think a fromal vote is required by the constitution +19:19:49 I also think it's problematic to do the chair selection quite so informally. It pressures people to go along with what the first few people say +19:20:07 agreed, a real vote seems like a good idea +19:20:15 hartmans: only if the chair position becomes vacant, see §6.1.7 +19:20:29 but we've agreed the chair position will become vacant. +19:20:44 Note that I also believe the formal vote is a good idea not just a requirement. +19:21:04 let's go with the vote, then +19:21:34 I feel I can bring a lot of technical points to why the procedures might not be applicable to the members arrived after the agreement, but they would be horribly boring… +19:21:43 … and I agree a formal vote is in order. +19:21:45 :) +19:22:07 #action OdyX to vacate the chair position and trigger a formal vote +19:22:51 (As for transparency, note I took the freedom to hold the chair position at the beginning of the year, for practical reasons) +19:23:02 #topic Additional Business +19:24:18 Who's going to DebConf? +19:24:27 * OdyX goes. +19:24:29 We did a round of this already, but now I guess people may have tickets and stuff. +19:24:38 not this year, unfortunately +19:24:42 I am going +19:24:44 I have tickets and my passport is currently in the mail on its way of getting a visa stamped on it. +19:24:51 need to book tickets still, though +19:24:53 I'll be there +19:24:54 and a roof. +19:24:57 I am going +19:25:10 I have hotel and a pasport. No tickets, but it's a short hop up the coast +19:26:04 * hartmans failed to get other people from $dayjob to come +19:27:01 * ntyni would have loved to come, but there's a conflict with worldcon.fi :( +19:28:09 #action fil and bremner to make their DebConf plans known. +19:28:16 Any other topic ? +19:28:38 thanks for making me feel welcome :) +19:29:21 #endmeeting \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/meetings/20170621/debian-ctte.2017-06-21-18.59.txt b/meetings/20170621/debian-ctte.2017-06-21-18.59.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..a9c73d9 --- /dev/null +++ b/meetings/20170621/debian-ctte.2017-06-21-18.59.txt @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +==================== +#debian-ctte Meeting +==================== + + +Meeting started by OdyX at 18:59:31 UTC. The full logs are available at +http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2017/debian-ctte.2017-06-21-18.59.log.html +. + + + +Meeting summary +--------------- +* Welcome round; who's here? (OdyX, 18:59:57) + +* new TC member. (OdyX, 19:05:03) + * ACTION: marga to send closure mails to other contenders (which list + stays TC-only). (OdyX, 19:07:48) + +* #862051 Rename nodejs back to node for buster, now that ax25-node has + been removed? (OdyX, 19:08:04) + * ACTION: OdyX to close #862051 by saying we have a consensus, and + offering the possibility for a reopen + formal vote. (OdyX, + 19:10:06) + +* #839172 TC decision regarding #741573 menu policy not reflected yet + (OdyX, 19:10:14) + * Apparently the Debian Policy editors are considering having a sprint + at DebConf (OdyX, 19:11:39) + * No capacity right now, DebConf is the next availability window + target. (OdyX, 19:15:47) + +* TC chair (OdyX, 19:15:51) + * ACTION: OdyX to vacate the chair position and trigger a formal vote + (OdyX, 19:22:07) + +* Additional Business (OdyX, 19:23:02) + * ACTION: fil and bremner to make their DebConf plans known. (OdyX, + 19:28:09) + +Meeting ended at 19:29:21 UTC. + + + + +Action Items +------------ +* marga to send closure mails to other contenders (which list stays + TC-only). +* OdyX to close #862051 by saying we have a consensus, and offering the + possibility for a reopen + formal vote. +* OdyX to vacate the chair position and trigger a formal vote +* fil and bremner to make their DebConf plans known. + + + + +Action Items, by person +----------------------- +* marga + * marga to send closure mails to other contenders (which list stays + TC-only). +* OdyX + * OdyX to close #862051 by saying we have a consensus, and offering + the possibility for a reopen + formal vote. + * OdyX to vacate the chair position and trigger a formal vote +* **UNASSIGNED** + * fil and bremner to make their DebConf plans known. + + + + +People Present (lines said) +--------------------------- +* OdyX (41) +* marga (15) +* hartmans (12) +* ntyni (10) +* keithp (9) +* Mithrandir (7) +* MeetBot (2) + + + + +Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 + +.. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- 2.39.2