From: Didier Raboud Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 19:30:36 +0000 (+0200) Subject: Add 20170517 meeting X-Git-Url: https://git.donarmstrong.com/?p=debian-ctte.git;a=commitdiff_plain;h=d5951d39ef7a3ec3fe9ae2336571a7e1e4ca9699 Add 20170517 meeting --- diff --git a/meetings/20170517/debian-ctte.2017-05-17-19.00.log.txt b/meetings/20170517/debian-ctte.2017-05-17-19.00.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..60bf387 --- /dev/null +++ b/meetings/20170517/debian-ctte.2017-05-17-19.00.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +19:00:05 #startmeeting +19:00:05 Meeting started Wed May 17 19:00:05 2017 UTC. The chair is OdyX. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. +19:00:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. +19:00:27 #topic Round of names +19:00:30 Didier Raboud +19:01:15 David Bremner +19:01:20 fil, marga, keithp, hartmans, Mithrandir: ping +19:01:31 hi +19:01:34 Tollef Fog Heen +19:01:35 see above for hartmans +19:02:13 Keith Packard +19:04:05 #topic Review of previous meetings' TODOs +19:04:14 AFAIK all we discussed was done, thanks for it! +19:04:25 The longrunning TODOS still need doing though. +19:04:34 #topic #839172 TC decision regarding #741573 menu policy not reflected yet +19:05:08 The status there hasn't changed; it needs someone to draft a policy patch, and the plan is to do it during DebConf. +19:05:23 take it off the agenda for now, then? +19:05:29 sounds like a plan to me +19:05:42 Well, it's on the open bugs list, hence on the agenda. +19:05:50 #topic #836127 New CTTE Members +19:06:09 I emitted my opinions, but felt alone there. +19:06:28 yeah, apologies from me, I've been swamped with non-debian work. +19:06:43 I failed to emit opinions. I have no excuse, except I don't really know what to think. +19:07:27 do we already have a deadline for this? +19:07:38 The point is that we need to get to a decision, either on a name, or on postponing. I don't like leaving everyone (including us) in the expectative +19:07:44 hi +19:08:04 ohai +19:08:14 (sorry I'm late) +19:09:07 Any opinions how to proceed there? How can we move forward ' +19:09:08 ? +19:10:07 other than just running an internal ballot? +19:10:42 well. Running an internal ballot is a new opinion. Could you launch one +19:10:43 ? +19:11:18 yes, if that seems like a way to get things moving along +19:11:39 it kinda does, I suspect. +19:11:40 sorry, my IRC client crashed. :-( +19:11:47 figures +19:11:50 internal ballot sounds fine to me +19:11:53 software is unreliable. who knew? +19:12:20 :) +19:12:55 (does seem odd that hardware, which is intrinsically unreliable is more reliable than software, which is intrinsically reliable...) +19:13:44 ok, I'll gather the names we have and post a ballot to the list then, unless there's more discussion that people want to have before that +19:13:58 #action keithp to gather the names we have a post a ballot to the list. +19:14:00 #save +19:14:19 Seems like a good step forward; but we definitely need more data from all current members. +19:14:23 #topic Additional Business +19:14:35 FD is a fine answer to 'we don't have enough data yet' +19:16:10 Could we have a public discussion about what we're looking for? (sortof last topic) +19:16:55 I feel like people have strong ideas about principles that have been somewhat articulated on the private alias, but I wonder if we should try to be transparent about that part, if we can +19:17:04 you bet +19:17:26 that might provide more transparency in the process, which is always good. +19:18:19 The point, I'm afraid, is that we have a quite small set of candidates. +19:19:30 is that just a general problem, or you worry specifically about trying to discuss publicly leaking private things? +19:19:54 personally, I don't feel particularly qualified to have an opinion, and I'm strongly convinced that every interview process I've ever come accross was pretty broken, so I struggle to come up with any criteria that I can be happy about applying to this process +19:20:44 The process came up with bremner. How bad can it be ? :-P +19:20:51 * bremner coughs +19:21:17 :-) +19:22:04 well, one problem with our very subjective process is that it encourages us to find people like ourselves +19:22:32 We can still put a hold on the process, and discuss the question on impersonal terms with the projec +19:23:12 I've phrased the concern that we spend a considerable amount of our energy just for renewal, and that isn't solved if we let the process drag us until May-June in the year. +19:24:28 so there are two ways forward: stop & discuss; or get it done and postpone discussing. +19:26:09 I lean towards the latter currently. +19:26:18 keithp: I suspect that people self-select to some extent based on whether they think they'd fit, which overlaps with that effect. Also, the project is perhaps not the most diverse population. +19:28:03 agreed, but our process is pushing in the wrong direction here +19:28:10 Are we getting anywhere additional to the #info above ? +19:28:21 I don't think so. +19:28:24 I favour producing the candidates in a random ordering, and then asking for good reasons why not to select the first one that pops out of the machine -- might help address that concern. +19:28:38 yes, you've really helped here, thanks for that +19:29:14 Not that I dislike the chit-chat with you guys :) +19:29:22 Thanks for the discussion! +19:29:32 heh. agreed, probably enough for IRC +19:29:39 #endmeeting \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/meetings/20170517/debian-ctte.2017-05-17-19.00.txt b/meetings/20170517/debian-ctte.2017-05-17-19.00.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..186df48 --- /dev/null +++ b/meetings/20170517/debian-ctte.2017-05-17-19.00.txt @@ -0,0 +1,63 @@ +==================== +#debian-ctte Meeting +==================== + + +Meeting started by OdyX at 19:00:05 UTC. The full logs are available at +http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2017/debian-ctte.2017-05-17-19.00.log.html +. + + + +Meeting summary +--------------- +* Round of names (OdyX, 19:00:27) + +* Review of previous meetings' TODOs (OdyX, 19:04:05) + +* #839172 TC decision regarding #741573 menu policy not reflected yet + (OdyX, 19:04:34) + +* #836127 New CTTE Members (OdyX, 19:05:50) + * ACTION: keithp to gather the names we have a post a ballot to the + list. (OdyX, 19:13:58) + +* Additional Business (OdyX, 19:14:23) + +Meeting ended at 19:29:39 UTC. + + + + +Action Items +------------ +* keithp to gather the names we have a post a ballot to the list. + + + + +Action Items, by person +----------------------- +* keithp + * keithp to gather the names we have a post a ballot to the list. +* **UNASSIGNED** + * (none) + + + + +People Present (lines said) +--------------------------- +* OdyX (34) +* keithp (15) +* bremner (9) +* Mithrandir (6) +* fil (6) +* MeetBot (2) + + + + +Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 + +.. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot