18:59:31 #startmeeting 18:59:31 Meeting started Wed Jun 21 18:59:31 2017 UTC. The chair is OdyX. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:59:31 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:59:57 #topic Welcome round; who's here? 19:00:04 * marga Margarita Manterola 19:00:07 Didier Raboud 19:00:14 Niko Tyni 19:00:17 Sam Hartman 19:02:06 keithp, Mithrandir, fil, bremner ? 19:03:20 yup, just sitting down 19:03:24 Keith Packard 19:03:32 welcome ntyni! 19:03:57 Indeed, welcome ntyni ! 19:04:05 thanks :) 19:04:57 Let's move on. 19:05:03 #topic new TC member. 19:05:12 Hi Nico! 19:05:28 We need to send some closure note to the other contenders 19:05:47 Yes 19:05:50 (and eventually start keithp's replacement round; but I'm thinking it's too early). 19:05:52 I was just thinking that. 19:06:02 I could send a round of emails this weekend 19:06:15 closure, or reopening, or both ? 19:06:25 Closure 19:06:34 We can re-open in Sept? Oct? 19:06:40 Let's give us some breathing time... 19:07:01 a summer vacation? 19:07:17 marga: I concur. 19:07:26 agreed 19:07:48 #action marga to send closure mails to other contenders (which list stays TC-only). 19:08:04 #topic #862051 Rename nodejs back to node for buster, now that ax25-node has been removed? 19:08:27 I think there was pretty clear consensus here, do we need a vote? 19:09:02 I don't think we do. 19:09:05 I think I'm fine with the consensus too fwiw 19:09:24 I can close the bug saying we're in agreement, and that anyone can reopen iff they want a formal vote. 19:09:36 makes sense 19:09:37 works for me 19:10:03 wfm as well 19:10:06 #action OdyX to close #862051 by saying we have a consensus, and offering the possibility for a reopen + formal vote. 19:10:14 #topic #839172 TC decision regarding #741573 menu policy not reflected yet 19:10:35 This is the thing we said we would postpone till DebConf or earlier if we had time 19:10:38 That's waiting on either marga to get something started AFAIK, or me (welcoming help of course) to draft something during DebConf. 19:11:25 I'm not quite current with this thing yet and I'm not sure whether I need to be 19:11:38 It would be great if you did catch up eventually 19:11:39 #info Apparently the Debian Policy editors are considering having a sprint at DebConf 19:11:59 #url https://lists.debian.org/debian-policy/2017/06/msg00060.html 19:12:00 so we should participate in that and bring a draft along? 19:12:01 Did someone check that it's really not reflected yet? There were a bunch of new updates 19:12:15 I didn't. 19:12:45 apologies for being late, I'm here now. 19:13:11 ntyni: the point is that the TC decided to emit policy about "menu" (removing the mandatory aspect), and that (last I looked), it isn't reflected in Policy yet. 19:13:43 right, thanks 19:14:13 I don't think we are in a position to act, due to lack of capacity, unfortunately. 19:15:47 #info No capacity right now, DebConf is the next availability window target. 19:15:51 #topic TC chair 19:16:07 OdyX: are you still up for it? 19:16:18 I am. 19:16:33 As you all know, we have agreed to follow a procedure, triggering a formal TC chair vote at every membership vote. 19:16:41 (see procedures.md in our git ntyni ) 19:16:52 yeah, I got that far :) 19:17:28 If we're almost all here, I'm all for reducing pointless administrativia. 19:17:52 my proposal is : we designate a chair here+now unless anyone wants a formal vote. 19:18:18 I agree with the here and now 19:18:21 I'm leaning slightly towards a formal vote. 19:18:30 the point is: I'm all for a formal vote, and am never taking any such role designations personally, so if you prefer a formal vote, then so be it. 19:18:54 but I can be convinced otherwise, it just feels like if we've agreed to a procedure and it's not that much overhead, there's value to sticking to it and being predictable. 19:19:20 I think a fromal vote is required by the constitution 19:19:49 I also think it's problematic to do the chair selection quite so informally. It pressures people to go along with what the first few people say 19:20:07 agreed, a real vote seems like a good idea 19:20:15 hartmans: only if the chair position becomes vacant, see §6.1.7 19:20:29 but we've agreed the chair position will become vacant. 19:20:44 Note that I also believe the formal vote is a good idea not just a requirement. 19:21:04 let's go with the vote, then 19:21:34 I feel I can bring a lot of technical points to why the procedures might not be applicable to the members arrived after the agreement, but they would be horribly boring… 19:21:43 … and I agree a formal vote is in order. 19:21:45 :) 19:22:07 #action OdyX to vacate the chair position and trigger a formal vote 19:22:51 (As for transparency, note I took the freedom to hold the chair position at the beginning of the year, for practical reasons) 19:23:02 #topic Additional Business 19:24:18 Who's going to DebConf? 19:24:27 * OdyX goes. 19:24:29 We did a round of this already, but now I guess people may have tickets and stuff. 19:24:38 not this year, unfortunately 19:24:42 I am going 19:24:44 I have tickets and my passport is currently in the mail on its way of getting a visa stamped on it. 19:24:51 need to book tickets still, though 19:24:53 I'll be there 19:24:54 and a roof. 19:24:57 I am going 19:25:10 I have hotel and a pasport. No tickets, but it's a short hop up the coast 19:26:04 * hartmans failed to get other people from $dayjob to come 19:27:01 * ntyni would have loved to come, but there's a conflict with worldcon.fi :( 19:28:09 #action fil and bremner to make their DebConf plans known. 19:28:16 Any other topic ? 19:28:38 thanks for making me feel welcome :) 19:29:21 #endmeeting