From 8c66dd516a35ac86c52ea27c90221bd407bd9462 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Don Armstrong Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:24:55 -0800 Subject: [PATCH] add 20160127 meeting --- .../debian-ctte.2016-01-27-17.59.log.txt | 103 ++++++++++++++++++ .../20160127/debian-ctte.2016-01-27-17.59.txt | 90 +++++++++++++++ 2 files changed, 193 insertions(+) create mode 100644 meetings/20160127/debian-ctte.2016-01-27-17.59.log.txt create mode 100644 meetings/20160127/debian-ctte.2016-01-27-17.59.txt diff --git a/meetings/20160127/debian-ctte.2016-01-27-17.59.log.txt b/meetings/20160127/debian-ctte.2016-01-27-17.59.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..17da07c --- /dev/null +++ b/meetings/20160127/debian-ctte.2016-01-27-17.59.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +17:59:07 #startmeeting +17:59:07 Meeting started Wed Jan 27 17:59:07 2016 UTC. The chair is dondelelcaro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. +17:59:07 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. +17:59:12 #topic Who is here? +17:59:16 Don Armstrong +17:59:17 Sam Hartman +17:59:22 Keith Packard +17:59:32 I know that tfheen and odyx have sent regrets +17:59:53 err, Mithrandir is the right nick. ;-) +17:59:56 aba: ping +18:00:32 #topic Next Meeting? +18:00:44 currently the winner is the same time slot, which is what I've scheduled it as +18:00:54 (well, one of the winners) +18:01:01 if this is bad for anyone, please change your vote +18:01:15 I'll finalize the next meeting in two weeks +18:01:22 #action dondelelcaro to finalize next meeting in two weeks +18:01:25 sounds good +18:01:39 #topic #741573 Menu systems - Debian Policy followup +18:02:03 I tried to restart this discussion, but nothing really happened, and I haven't had enough time to sit down and run through it myself +18:02:46 Did tdhe initial NMU ever happen? +18:02:48 no +18:02:58 hartmans: I don't think anything moved at all +18:03:01 we had discussed trying to go through the usual process without an NMU +18:03:10 but I was supposed to do an NMU if the usual process didn't occur +18:03:42 dondelelcaro: sounds like it's time +18:03:51 yeah, I think so +18:04:03 do any of you object? +18:04:20 I certainly don't object to the NMU with the wording we clearly approved. +18:04:43 cool. the NMU would be restricted to just introducing that wording, and nothing more +18:04:50 Long term if debian-policy is unwilling to take up the issue we may need to develop something for the second part, but that would take specific cycles here. +18:04:51 of course +18:05:00 OK +18:05:13 I'll announce my intention to NMU, and upload to delayed/7 or similar +18:05:18 thanks +18:05:23 yes, thanks +18:05:24 #action dondelelcaro to NMU policy according to decision on menu policy +18:05:37 that won't hapen until this weekend, I think, but I'll get on it +18:05:47 #topic #771070 Coordinate plan and requirements for cross toolchain packages in Debian +18:05:50 no fosdemo for you? +18:06:01 no; I really should go one of these years +18:06:13 working on getting three papers out right now +18:06:32 keithp: you'll be there? +18:06:58 jcristau: no, austrailia instead +18:07:26 should be warmer +18:07:27 with #771070, I think this is still waiting on the plan to be written up, but the current state is relatively functional +18:07:45 I think we should probably write this up to document what happened, and then close the bug +18:07:53 dondelelcaro: sounds like a good idea to me +18:08:24 IE, this issue was presented to the CTTE, we mediated, and stakeholders have come up with a plan which they will communicate +18:08:48 seems like a short note on the bug and then just closing it would suffice +18:08:53 yeah +18:09:13 well, I'd rather put it together as a statement and vote on it +18:09:21 but it'll effectively be the same +18:09:30 (since statements are non-binding) +18:09:47 hartmans: does that work for you, too? +18:10:14 I don't object; I'm not convinced we need to vote on it, but that may become obvious when you get text. +18:10:36 #topic #802159 New OpenSSL upstream version +18:10:43 the SRMs are looking at this +18:10:55 I don't think we need to do anything here +18:11:16 Shall we close offering that if anyone wants us to take specific action they can reopen? +18:11:27 sounds good to me +18:11:44 hartmans: would you take care of that? +18:11:52 sure action me please +18:12:03 awesome +18:12:06 #action hartmans to close #802159 offering to take specific action if someone reopens it +18:12:14 #topic #797533 New CTTE members +18:12:30 I sent out mail--sorry about the delay. +18:12:36 no problem; glad that it got started +18:12:51 I am really uncomfortable that we're making a decision with basically a sentence to a paragraph of support for an appointment. +18:12:54 I think I should send out an e-mail to d-d-a indicating that we've got the nominees and are deliberating +18:13:18 That said, I don't know how to get from where we are to somewhere useful. +18:13:33 I did ask a couple of questions, but I'm not sure that really gives us much more. +18:13:56 hartmans: do you want some kind of interview process for each candidate? +18:14:04 I suspect that the process this year is as good as previous processes. +18:14:11 hartmans: I personally am not; I'm weighing much more heavily how people have behaved on mailing lists and in bug reports and similar +18:14:49 Yes, there're fairly big problems with that from a diversity problem. +18:14:55 that tells me much more about their technical thinking and how they interact than anything they could say in an interview or in response to CTTE questions +18:15:09 If you're mostly making a decision based on your personal observations, then you can only select people you know, or they have a huge advantage. +18:15:22 That tends to be bad for the organization long-term. +18:15:43 hartmans: that's true; I'm certianly open to additional information gathering +18:15:53 hartmans: not personal observations, but the whole recorded history of interactions with the project +18:16:04 But yes, I do have that sort of information on the nominees we have, and if that's what I have, it's certainly what I'll use. +18:16:39 keithp: Do you have confidence in your tools for finding and reviewing that? Would you be willing to write up a summary of what you've done and what you found? +18:17:10 Because yes, we do have history and if we've actually gone through a significant chunk of it, rather than basing on our memories, then that would be good. +18:17:13 hartmans: nothing more than google, I'm afraid +18:17:33 why don't we all write up a brief summary of the interactions we've noted for each candidate? +18:17:36 OK, but you have googled the nominees and gone through a significant chunk of their approaches/messages? +18:17:41 That would be a very valuable writup +18:18:06 that way it's not being put on a single person, and we hopefully will find different things +18:18:07 hartmans: I'll try to recreate it and write it up +18:18:27 don: sounds good. I'll certainly write up what I have. +18:18:49 lets try to get those writeups done in the next three weeks +18:19:11 #action everyone to write up information on each of the nominees to present to the -private mailing list +18:19:33 #action dondelelcaro to thank nominees in a d-d-a announcement without mentioning them by name +18:19:43 #topic Additional Business +18:20:41 anything else? +18:21:12 three bugs closed in one meeting? Has to be a record... +18:21:50 yeah; if we get them closed, we'll only have the new members open, which will be great +18:22:36 good place to have new members join +18:22:58 yep +18:23:16 nod +18:23:21 * hartmans is closing now +18:23:33 ok; I'll stop here +18:23:35 #endmeeting \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/meetings/20160127/debian-ctte.2016-01-27-17.59.txt b/meetings/20160127/debian-ctte.2016-01-27-17.59.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..ff9f1ea --- /dev/null +++ b/meetings/20160127/debian-ctte.2016-01-27-17.59.txt @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +==================== +#debian-ctte Meeting +==================== + + +Meeting started by dondelelcaro at 17:59:07 UTC. The full logs are +available at +http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2016/debian-ctte.2016-01-27-17.59.log.html +. + + + +Meeting summary +--------------- +* Who is here? (dondelelcaro, 17:59:12) + +* Next Meeting? (dondelelcaro, 18:00:32) + * ACTION: dondelelcaro to finalize next meeting in two weeks + (dondelelcaro, 18:01:22) + +* #741573 Menu systems - Debian Policy followup (dondelelcaro, + 18:01:39) + * ACTION: dondelelcaro to NMU policy according to decision on menu + policy (dondelelcaro, 18:05:24) + +* #771070 Coordinate plan and requirements for cross toolchain packages + in Debian (dondelelcaro, 18:05:47) + +* #802159 New OpenSSL upstream version (dondelelcaro, 18:10:36) + * ACTION: hartmans to close #802159 offering to take specific action + if someone reopens it (dondelelcaro, 18:12:06) + +* #797533 New CTTE members (dondelelcaro, 18:12:14) + * ACTION: everyone to write up information on each of the nominees to + present to the -private mailing list (dondelelcaro, 18:19:11) + * ACTION: dondelelcaro to thank nominees in a d-d-a announcement + without mentioning them by name (dondelelcaro, 18:19:33) + +* Additional Business (dondelelcaro, 18:19:43) + +Meeting ended at 18:23:35 UTC. + + + + +Action Items +------------ +* dondelelcaro to finalize next meeting in two weeks +* dondelelcaro to NMU policy according to decision on menu policy +* hartmans to close #802159 offering to take specific action if someone + reopens it +* everyone to write up information on each of the nominees to present to + the -private mailing list +* dondelelcaro to thank nominees in a d-d-a announcement without + mentioning them by name + + + + +Action Items, by person +----------------------- +* dondelelcaro + * dondelelcaro to finalize next meeting in two weeks + * dondelelcaro to NMU policy according to decision on menu policy + * dondelelcaro to thank nominees in a d-d-a announcement without + mentioning them by name +* hartmans + * hartmans to close #802159 offering to take specific action if + someone reopens it +* **UNASSIGNED** + * everyone to write up information on each of the nominees to present + to the -private mailing list + + + + +People Present (lines said) +--------------------------- +* dondelelcaro (58) +* hartmans (24) +* keithp (17) +* jcristau (2) +* MeetBot (2) + + + + +Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 + +.. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- 2.39.5