From a69646acb43050a4adada2fcd0648133e8a4dc10 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Didier Raboud Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:42:12 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] Add 2016-04-26 meeting --- .../debian-ctte.2016-04-26-16.59.log.txt | 130 ++++++++++++++++++ .../20160426/debian-ctte.2016-04-26-16.59.txt | 83 +++++++++++ 2 files changed, 213 insertions(+) create mode 100644 meetings/20160426/debian-ctte.2016-04-26-16.59.log.txt create mode 100644 meetings/20160426/debian-ctte.2016-04-26-16.59.txt diff --git a/meetings/20160426/debian-ctte.2016-04-26-16.59.log.txt b/meetings/20160426/debian-ctte.2016-04-26-16.59.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..6f92e4c --- /dev/null +++ b/meetings/20160426/debian-ctte.2016-04-26-16.59.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,130 @@ +16:59:04 #startmeeting +16:59:04 Meeting started Tue Apr 26 16:59:04 2016 UTC. The chair is OdyX. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. +16:59:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. +16:59:09 #chair dondelelcaro +16:59:09 Current chairs: OdyX dondelelcaro +16:59:33 #topic Who is here? +16:59:39 Sam Hartman +16:59:42 Didier Raboud +17:00:11 There was no ping. +17:00:57 do we want to do one now?+ +17:01:00 dondelelcaro, Mithrandir, fil, keithp, aba: please check-in by stating your name +17:01:49 Apparently we have a technical issue; fil cannot speak +17:02:51 Is he identified to nickserv? +17:02:54 That's the normal cause +17:03:08 You need to have a registered nick and be identified to speak on this channel +17:03:33 Tue 19:04:18 -NickServ(services@services.oftc.net)- 3 (online, identified by access list) +17:03:36 about fil. +17:03:51 Is there something one of us could do? +17:04:05 Let's wait until 17:10 anyway for the others to check-in +17:04:14 hi +17:04:26 ah, seems I wasn't identified +17:04:33 Great. One problem less. +17:06:27 I could have sworn that my irssi setup used to deal with that for me ... it must have rotted :-/ +17:07:10 hi, here. +17:07:41 sorry about being late. +17:07:45 <-- Tollef Fog Heen +17:08:26 <-- Philip Hands +17:08:54 It's 19:10 +17:08:58 Let's proceed. +17:09:01 #topic Next Meeting? +17:09:14 Options H & M are the current Schwartz winners. +17:09:32 Wed 25 or Thur 26, 18 UTC +17:09:46 both wfm +17:10:04 Both are crappy for me. +17:10:43 Aww, apparently I didn't update my availabilities. +17:10:54 It's hard to find a date that works. +17:10:55 well then do:-) +17:11:12 Do you want to wait for me to update this, or do we proceed asynchronously ? +17:11:35 Don generally made the final decision on meeting date near middle of month +17:12:08 yeah, just update availability and we'll figure it out via email. +17:12:23 Okay. Will do that shortly after the meeting. +17:12:37 #action All to update your May, June & July availabilities. +17:12:39 #save +17:12:58 I'll announce the meeting date tomorrow. +17:13:07 #topic Further CTTE Nominees +17:13:45 The status is we have one seat left to fill & received new nominations. +17:14:14 Do we want to set a deadline for folks to give comments? +17:14:15 I think it's fair to take these new nominations into account for a new round. +17:14:41 hartmans: nominees, or TC members ? +17:14:56 last round it was hard to get candidates to stand, do we have an idea how to round up more/different candidates? +17:15:22 I'm open to suggestions. +17:15:50 Last round, quite some were nominated by ourselves. +17:15:59 Which worked so-so. +17:16:33 I meant tc members. +17:17:03 maybe poking folks in-person at debconf can help +17:17:18 Yeah. That's an interesting question. Do we want to decide before debconf +17:17:23 or do we want to hold things open and +17:17:33 Yes. So, with Don's term expiry at the end of this year, do we want to fill this seat now, or wait ? +17:17:34 1) discuss what we're looking for at debconf and 2) poke people in person at debconf +17:17:58 My personal preference would be to fill after debconf--possibly after Don's term expires +17:18:21 maybe have it as part of the ctte bof, a "we're looking for new folks, here's what we're looking for"? +17:18:38 fil: opinions ? +17:19:00 I like the idea to discuss this at DebConf (iff we're a sufficient share present there). +17:19:18 I don't mean to decide on a person there, I mean to try to find more candidates. +17:19:24 It's not like we have too many subjects currently, so waiting is safe for now. +17:19:33 Mithrandir: yeah, what I meant. +17:19:50 yeah, on the other hand it'd be good to not be too many people down from full. +17:20:04 sure. But we're only one away currently. +17:20:45 OdyX: I've got no opinions re current volunteers, since I have none of the details, so dificult to judge if we should resort to press-ganging at DC +17:21:26 Did the nominations come in after fil got on the list? +17:21:38 yes +17:21:41 okay. It feels we're in agreement that postponing to post-DebConf is good, to get us a wider range of candidacies, right ? +17:22:22 ah, I assumed I was missing things +17:22:55 I think postponing is fine. We should send a mail to the nominees thanking them and giving them information on what the plan is. +17:23:18 Yes. Any volunteer? (I guess that's probably my accountability, right?) +17:23:28 I can deal +17:23:58 I am sitting arcound doing nothing this afternoon. +17:24:02 #agreed Postpone seat-filling to post-DebConf; take DebConf as opportunity to refine who we're looking for, and get more candidacies. +17:24:16 #action hartmans to inform the current candidates of the process we're running. +17:24:24 Anything else for this point ? +17:25:14 thanks, and no, I don't think we need anything else for this. +17:25:38 I'll make a note to put a slide into the bof about looking for folks. +17:25:51 #topic Additional Business +17:26:07 I'll send email but I have an affiliation change +17:26:12 #action Mithrandir to recall the TC about talking about this in our DebConf BoF. +17:26:40 I'm now with Hadron Industries, a small startup. The company is owned by klee. Our product is Debian-based. +17:27:11 #info hartmans has changed employer. +17:27:25 https://bugs.debian.org/tech-ctte <- our list of concerns. +17:27:32 hartmans: good luck. :-) +17:27:34 I'm trying to get travel to debconf. The issue is me fighting with airline scheduling, not funding. I spent a couple of hours on it and failed, I need to find another couple of hours to throw at the problem. +17:27:51 I've worked pre-DC15 to put everything the TC had on his plates as proper bugs. +17:28:36 Now we're down to #766708 (and #771070, related) +17:30:00 As far as I can tell, this issue is still a tension between the protagonist, but has reached a equilibrium point. +17:30:28 I don't think it's a satisfactory point, and would like us to work towards getting this issue solved. +17:30:34 In short, I think we need a champion. +17:31:47 OdyX: thanks for sending me the backlog -- not exactly cheerful reading. I'd be willing to take it on if there's any prospect of it getting somewhere useful +17:32:33 fil: if you're willing to bring a new eye to this situation, that'd be awesome. +17:33:08 A first step (which we already tried and failed) would be to produce a neutral summary of the situation, agreed upon by the sides, and published. +17:33:09 if its likely to just involve rekindling a lot of anger to no purpose, not so much ;-) +17:33:37 fil: I suspect it'll make it flare up a bit, but hopefully to a purpose. +17:33:52 Can we try a series of peer-to-peer meetings at DebConf, to get a better understanding of the issue ? +17:34:14 OdyX: difficult to do when one side seems to be hiding in a bunker +17:34:44 I'd like us to either proceed forward towards a good resolution, or a TC decision. Or explicitely deny, and close the bug. +17:34:52 I'm certainly willing to have a try though +17:34:56 I wouldn't want the TC to do the latter. +17:34:57 I think there's a point past which you hold it against somone that they don't participate in the process. +17:35:06 If doco doesn't want to talk to the other side, we can work with that. +17:35:23 indeed. +17:35:38 If doco isn't willing to work with the TC or appoint someone who represents his view who does, eventually, that should be taken into account. +17:35:49 hartmans: yeah, we need folks to communicate, but we also need folks to not bring out the pitchforks, which historically has been the case for some of the conflicts in Debian. +17:35:50 fil: don't feel constrained in how you want to tackle this issue though. +17:36:11 Right. +17:36:12 fil: can we defer the next action points to you? +17:36:19 I totally get party a not wanting to talk to party b +17:36:26 (including asking for advice either publically, or privately) +17:36:30 I totally get party a not wanting to talk to tc member x +17:36:37 OdyX: OK, sign me up +17:37:00 But if party a can't work with the tc as a whole, etheir a gr is needed because the tc is off the rails, or the tc may act in a manner that praty a may not like +17:37:13 #action fil to revive #766708. +17:37:28 I agree with hartmans' analysis btw. +17:37:47 Good. +17:37:53 ditto, and I hope we can be the grease that helps the wheels go round. +17:37:54 Anything else as #varia ? +17:38:51 not from me +17:39:10 I have written it by mail already, but let's repeat it here: I'm happy to serve as chair, and welcome all sorts of feedback. Feel free to direct your comments/suggestions/complaints to me ! +17:39:11 OdyX: well, congrats on the nice new hat you have found yourself. :-) +17:39:19 Mithrandir: :blush: :) +17:39:58 Great. If there's nothing new; I'll quickly update my availabilites, and will wait for your git updates, so that we can agree on a meeting date! +17:40:07 Thanks for a productive meeting! +17:40:10 #endmeeting \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/meetings/20160426/debian-ctte.2016-04-26-16.59.txt b/meetings/20160426/debian-ctte.2016-04-26-16.59.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..70d96fd --- /dev/null +++ b/meetings/20160426/debian-ctte.2016-04-26-16.59.txt @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +==================== +#debian-ctte Meeting +==================== + + +Meeting started by OdyX at 16:59:04 UTC. The full logs are available at +http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2016/debian-ctte.2016-04-26-16.59.log.html +. + + + +Meeting summary +--------------- +* Who is here? (OdyX, 16:59:33) + +* Next Meeting? (OdyX, 17:09:01) + * ACTION: All to update your May, June & July availabilities. (OdyX, + 17:12:37) + +* Further CTTE Nominees (OdyX, 17:13:07) + * AGREED: Postpone seat-filling to post-DebConf; take DebConf as + opportunity to refine who we're looking for, and get more + candidacies. (OdyX, 17:24:02) + * ACTION: hartmans to inform the current candidates of the process + we're running. (OdyX, 17:24:16) + +* Additional Business (OdyX, 17:25:51) + * ACTION: Mithrandir to recall the TC about talking about this in our + DebConf BoF. (OdyX, 17:26:12) + * hartmans has changed employer. (OdyX, 17:27:11) + * LINK: https://bugs.debian.org/tech-ctte <- our list of concerns. + (OdyX, 17:27:25) + * ACTION: fil to revive #766708. (OdyX, 17:37:13) + +Meeting ended at 17:40:10 UTC. + + + + +Action Items +------------ +* All to update your May, June & July availabilities. +* hartmans to inform the current candidates of the process we're + running. +* Mithrandir to recall the TC about talking about this in our DebConf + BoF. +* fil to revive #766708. + + + + +Action Items, by person +----------------------- +* fil + * fil to revive #766708. +* hartmans + * hartmans to inform the current candidates of the process we're + running. +* Mithrandir + * Mithrandir to recall the TC about talking about this in our DebConf + BoF. +* **UNASSIGNED** + * All to update your May, June & July availabilities. + + + + +People Present (lines said) +--------------------------- +* OdyX (69) +* hartmans (26) +* Mithrandir (19) +* fil (11) +* MeetBot (3) +* weasel (2) +* dondelelcaro (0) + + + + +Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 + +.. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- 2.39.2