From: Don Armstrong Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 17:33:43 +0000 (-0700) Subject: add meeting logs for 2013/07/25 meeting X-Git-Url: https://git.donarmstrong.com/?a=commitdiff_plain;h=daf55229c6517ac44b075c618040ef2457d10f3e;p=debian-ctte.git add meeting logs for 2013/07/25 meeting --- diff --git a/meetings/20130725/debian-ctte.2013-07-25-17.01.log.txt b/meetings/20130725/debian-ctte.2013-07-25-17.01.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..dee4ae6 --- /dev/null +++ b/meetings/20130725/debian-ctte.2013-07-25-17.01.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,139 @@ +17:01:23 #startmeeting +17:01:23 Meeting started Thu Jul 25 17:01:23 2013 UTC. The chair is dondelelcaro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. +17:01:23 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. +17:01:29 #topic Who is here? +17:01:29 hi there +17:01:37 Don Armstrong +17:01:53 Ian Jackson +17:02:11 Andi Barth +17:02:13 rra sent his regrets yesterday +17:02:41 Steve Langasek +17:03:44 bdale obviously not +17:04:01 cjwatson: ping +17:04:07 anyway, I think we can get started +17:04:27 #topic Next Meeting? +17:04:45 currently the calendar has the next meeting at the same time on the 29th of august +17:04:50 28 days would be 22nd of August. +17:05:00 29th works too +17:05:05 however, I believe bdale is setting up a meeting during debconf +17:05:08 Yes. +17:05:14 and I'm not going to be available the 29th +17:05:15 I haven't heard about a specific time. +17:05:15 we have a tech ctte bof +17:05:18 yeah +17:05:22 Diziet: let me check +17:05:59 initial planing is 11th afternoon +17:06:03 I'd be ok with forgoing the meeting for august and talking on IRC or similar during or after the BoF, or whatever works for y'all +17:06:20 22 and 29 is the same for me +17:06:40 (one of the days is work-busy, but I don't know which - the first with good weather) +17:06:47 heh +17:07:13 should we still have an IRC meeting in August? +17:07:26 or should we just have the BoF? +17:07:38 I'm going to be travelling from mid September. +17:07:45 hopefully the BoF would be sufficient +17:07:56 are we going to have a way for folks to "dial in" remotely to the BoF? +17:08:07 dunno; I'll at least try to be on IRC +17:08:10 vorlon: you mean apart from irc? +17:08:17 and I can work with whatever people want to do +17:08:20 I mean whatever we plan to do +17:08:36 IRC works, if someone at the BoF is reading the IRC window :) +17:08:44 vorlon: I hope to remember. +17:09:08 ok; lets go with just the BoF for august unless someone argues otherwise +17:09:10 (but the bof has a bit of different focus I assume - at least IIRC recent years) +17:09:27 plus whatever discussions happen at debconf +17:09:53 I think we should do the meeting in August too if we can. +17:09:56 ok +17:10:07 I'm ok with doing it if we move it to the 22nd +17:10:14 OK +17:10:23 ok with me - there are chances I'm not there, but we'll see +17:10:36 how about I keep it, and we can decide to do differently if we have to +17:10:57 #agreed move august meeting to the 22nd at the same time, possibly supplant in favor of BoF +17:11:06 #topic #717076 Decide between libjpeg-turbo and libjpeg8 et al. +17:11:33 It looks like we're tidying up loose ends to make libjpeg-turbo work. +17:11:39 Does anyone think that's not the right general approach ? +17:12:50 Perhaps we should have a resolutions saying "we prefer libjpeg-turbo; we are aware of some compatibility issues namely (blah blah blah), which seem to be soluble." +17:13:09 I think that assuming the set of packages is actually tested, we can do/consider the switch +17:13:26 Do we need to be in control of that ? +17:13:28 for the moment, I'd say it looks like it is -turbo +17:13:41 Or can we leave that to the judgement of the -turbo maintainers ? +17:13:41 but details need to be sorted out - as always. +17:14:07 Diziet: I don't know if we need to be in control of it; I'm just leery of mandating a change when the change hasn't been tested +17:14:12 we could leave that to their judgment (saying that we reserve right to review if necessary) +17:14:17 aba: Right. +17:14:21 aba: that's true +17:14:28 dondelelcaro: I don't think we should say "it must change NAAOW" +17:14:57 We should just say "we think we should move to libjpeg-turbo. the -turbo maintainer is to decide on the appropriate transition plan and schedule, and if anyone disagrees please come back to us" +17:15:22 Diziet: ok; that seems reasonable +17:15:33 Diziet: bill disagreees +17:15:40 that's actually sort of along the lines of what I was thinking, with a two part decision +17:16:11 jcristau: I see Bill wrote | I am not going to answer such drivel. You will have to contend with what I sent to debian-devel. Show a bit of respect. +17:16:28 But without any reference, unfortunately. +17:16:41 I'm not going to go trawling through -devel to find which message(s) Bill means. +17:16:57 If Bill thinks this is a mistake I would like him to explain it to us, or at least point us to where the previous explanation was. +17:16:58 jcristau: obviously he disagres +17:17:52 I also think that "drivel" is not a friendly way to write. It would be better to say something like "I don't want to repeat again my answers to your message, which I consider entirely wrong. Please see " +17:18:10 and AFAIC the release team has not yet taken a poisiotn on that . Is this right? +17:18:11 i assume https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/04/msg00720.html +17:18:21 jcristau: Thanks +17:18:26 and maybe https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/04/msg00829.html +17:18:37 Diziet: #632949 also has a bit of a thread about it too +17:18:42 (from 2012) +17:19:24 I'm not unsympathetic to the idea that we might be making a mistake, but I haven't seen the argument made in a coherent and cohesive way. +17:19:36 aba: i'm not sure why they should +17:19:46 jcristau: Me neither... +17:19:47 jcristau: I'm also not sure. +17:20:00 ok +17:20:03 but of course they might have an opinion, and I just wanted to be sure that I didn't miss it +17:20:30 so are we in agreement that we should start drafting an advisory along the lines of what Diziet proposes? +17:21:02 jcristau: If you agree with Bill that this is the wrong thing to do then I'd encourage you to try to convince us... +17:21:41 I feel (at least) that the other side of the argument hasn't been put forward very well. +17:21:56 (namely, to propose to switch to -turbo, maintainers of -turbo to come up with transition plan, if others disagree with transition plan/transition, come back to -ctte?) +17:22:08 That sounds like what I would propose. +17:22:27 #action Diziet to draft libjpeg resolution along lines discussed on irc +17:22:45 we can of course revisit this during the drafting stage if new information comes in +17:22:50 #topic #685795 New ctte member +17:22:54 Unless someone else wants to do it of course. +17:22:59 Ah yes. +17:23:04 I think this is just waiting on bdale +17:23:15 which is totally understandable, and ok +17:23:32 probably during debconf it'll get sorted out. +17:23:43 topic #636783 super-majority conflict; +17:23:45 #topic #636783 super-majority conflict; +17:24:13 Sorry, I have done nothing about this. +17:24:17 It's still blocking on me. +17:24:24 no worries; that's fine +17:24:38 #topic #681419 Depends: foo | foo-nonfree +17:24:39 no worries (at least I have escaped from blocking it) +17:25:15 I forget what we were stuck on here +17:25:26 I had an action to present a counterargument +17:25:29 which I haven't gotten to yet +17:25:30 Indeed. +17:25:43 ah, ok +17:26:03 #action vorlon to present counterargument to Diziet regarding Depends: foo | foo-nonfree +17:26:06 hi bdale +17:26:12 hi! +17:26:20 sorry, quite distracted today +17:26:21 bdale: Welcome! +17:26:34 #topic Additional Business +17:26:41 none here +17:27:04 None here either. +17:27:19 Nothing here either; I hope you all have a good time at DebConf! +17:27:22 Thanks :-). +17:27:34 I'm now sure it'll be good (now that I have a hotel...) +17:27:35 dondelelcaro: will miss seeing you there +17:27:44 Diziet: you have an hotel? +17:27:47 Although I bet it's going to be hot. +17:27:49 aba: Yep. +17:27:58 In Gorgier-St-Aubin, about 5km away. +17:28:03 * aba tries the sponsored facilities +17:28:09 Good luck... +17:28:19 It's basically not got a website. I had to do the booking in my absolutely terrible French. +17:28:24 Diziet: did you get a hotel room with a name? :) +17:28:25 only the hard survive. or so. +17:29:09 keithp and I are also staying on-site, but will have a car if we need to escape... +17:29:22 (ref: http://www.chateauvaumarcus.ch/index.php?page=chambre.html) +17:29:31 bdale: don't forget your towel +17:29:32 vorlon: Ah, right... +17:30:57 * bdale is likely to buy one just for the occasion +17:31:08 (we don't exactly have a lot of spares yet) +17:32:01 #endmeeting \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/meetings/20130725/debian-ctte.2013-07-25-17.01.txt b/meetings/20130725/debian-ctte.2013-07-25-17.01.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..015f30e --- /dev/null +++ b/meetings/20130725/debian-ctte.2013-07-25-17.01.txt @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +==================== +#debian-ctte Meeting +==================== + + +Meeting started by dondelelcaro at 17:01:23 UTC. The full logs are +available at +http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2013/debian-ctte.2013-07-25-17.01.log.html +. + + + +Meeting summary +--------------- +* Who is here? (dondelelcaro, 17:01:29) + +* Next Meeting? (dondelelcaro, 17:04:27) + * AGREED: move august meeting to the 22nd at the same time, possibly + supplant in favor of BoF (dondelelcaro, 17:10:57) + +* #717076 Decide between libjpeg-turbo and libjpeg8 et al. + (dondelelcaro, 17:11:06) + * ACTION: Diziet to draft libjpeg resolution along lines discussed on + irc (Diziet, 17:22:27) + +* #685795 New ctte member (dondelelcaro, 17:22:50) + +* #636783 super-majority conflict; (dondelelcaro, 17:23:45) + +* #681419 Depends: foo | foo-nonfree (dondelelcaro, 17:24:38) + * ACTION: vorlon to present counterargument to Diziet regarding + Depends: foo | foo-nonfree (dondelelcaro, 17:26:03) + +* Additional Business (dondelelcaro, 17:26:34) + +Meeting ended at 17:32:01 UTC. + + + + +Action Items +------------ +* Diziet to draft libjpeg resolution along lines discussed on irc +* vorlon to present counterargument to Diziet regarding Depends: foo | + foo-nonfree + + + + +Action Items, by person +----------------------- +* Diziet + * Diziet to draft libjpeg resolution along lines discussed on irc + * vorlon to present counterargument to Diziet regarding Depends: foo | + foo-nonfree +* vorlon + * vorlon to present counterargument to Diziet regarding Depends: foo | + foo-nonfree +* **UNASSIGNED** + * (none) + + + + +People Present (lines said) +--------------------------- +* dondelelcaro (49) +* Diziet (43) +* aba (24) +* vorlon (11) +* bdale (6) +* jcristau (4) +* MeetBot (2) + + + + +Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 + +.. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot