From: Don Armstrong Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:41:21 +0000 (-0800) Subject: add logs for 20141218 meeting X-Git-Url: https://git.donarmstrong.com/?a=commitdiff_plain;h=934e35725a64be1eebb3c6c1bb61f70a00fe6ec2;p=debian-ctte.git add logs for 20141218 meeting --- diff --git a/meetings/20141218/debian-ctte.2014-12-18-18.07.log.txt b/meetings/20141218/debian-ctte.2014-12-18-18.07.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..89e5643 --- /dev/null +++ b/meetings/20141218/debian-ctte.2014-12-18-18.07.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,131 @@ +18:07:58 #startmeeting +18:07:58 Meeting started Thu Dec 18 18:07:58 2014 UTC. The chair is dondelelcaro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. +18:07:58 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. +18:08:06 #topic Who is here? +18:08:10 Bdale Garbee +18:08:14 Don Armstrong +18:08:37 I am +18:08:51 vorlon, keithp, cjwatson: ping +18:08:51 dondelelcaro: Please tell me what you want and I'll reply when I'm around. +18:09:03 heh +18:09:18 cjwatson: we should talk about when you want your resignation to take effect +18:09:30 well, I'll just continue on for the time being, and if it's just us, we can at least hit on #771070 +18:09:48 #topic Next Meeting? +18:10:16 when would the default be? +18:10:20 I believe the next meeting would be the 29th of January +18:10:25 it's not currently on the calendar +18:10:28 does that work for you? +18:10:31 (it's OK for me) +18:10:38 checking +18:11:07 ok for me, keithp may be in transit to FOSDEM by then .. looking +18:11:46 that's pretty likely. +18:11:56 would one week earlier be better? +18:12:07 he'll be on the ground in Brussels, should be ok to meet .. I'm not flying over until Fri (Sat early am arrival) due to other commitments +18:12:07 (the 22nd) +18:12:14 ah, OK +18:12:14 22nd would be fine with me +18:12:21 that's the week between LCA and FOSDEM travel +18:12:39 cool; why don't I pencil that in, and if someone objects, we can reschedule +18:12:46 yeah, let's try for the 22nd +18:13:07 03Don Armstrong 05master 22a4df0 06debian-ctte 10meetings.ics remove old events; schedule meeting for 1/22 +18:13:11 #topic #769972 New member selection process +18:13:22 I think for this we've got nominees, we just need to start discussing them +18:13:27 yes +18:13:38 #agreed start discussing nominees for new CTTE member +18:13:44 #topic #636783 constitution: super-majority bug +18:13:45 I guess the last time, we each sort of ranked them and talked about them in email +18:13:53 right +18:13:54 member? I assume members? +18:13:59 yes +18:14:01 2 or 3 +18:14:02 yes, plural +18:14:44 #action everyone to rank nominees and talk about them in e-mail +18:15:04 I think for #636783 we can just hold off until after the voting on retiring +18:15:11 so we were going to wait on the super-majority bug, et al, until after the term limits GR ran it's course, right? +18:15:21 bdale: right; that's my understanding +18:15:31 and that hasn't quite gone to a vote yet +18:15:41 right +18:15:54 defer until Jan, then +18:16:01 #agreed shelve #636783 until january +18:16:06 #topic #741573 menu systems and mime-support +18:16:18 no keithp yet? +18:16:30 last time we agreed that keithp would present this to policy once it had been cleaned up slightly +18:16:33 I think that's still the case +18:17:11 ok +18:18:10 #action keithp to present #741573 to policy and work to get consensus +18:18:14 #topic #762194 Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy->jessie upgrades +18:18:33 I wrote up the draft for this, got some good feedback +18:18:50 I still need to introduce the bugs that Nikolaus pointed out +18:19:23 but beyond that, I think it was waiting on vorlon to have a chance to examine it +18:20:14 ok +18:20:24 bdale: did you have any comments on it yourself? +18:21:16 it's the classic situation where I can see both sides. I think it's probably better overall for the project for the update to happen, but I remain quite concerned that there's a well-documented and working opt-out path for anyone who doesn't want it +18:21:34 yeah, that's basically my position as well +18:21:45 wrt your draft, I read it but I don't have the details clearly in mind atm +18:21:48 OK +18:22:26 so, what happens if we don't act on this today/soon? +18:22:37 nothing, I think? +18:22:45 but it would be good to get it out soonish +18:22:52 just to remove any FUD +18:23:17 ok, then do you want to poke vorlon about reviewing your draft and we can then proceed in email? +18:23:22 sure, will do +18:23:41 #action dondelelcaro to poke vorlon about reviewing draft for #762194, and proceed in e-mail +18:23:47 #topic #750135 Maintainer of aptitude package +18:24:02 err, I forgot to ping aba. anyway, I think this still needs to be dealt with +18:24:28 I'm a bit concerned that we haven't done anything here, but I'm not sure what to do next +18:25:17 let me pull up the bug +18:26:17 yeah, ok, I'm not sure what to do about this today either +18:26:25 ok. +18:26:34 let me ping aba and try to get this rolling again +18:26:40 #action dondelelcaro to ping aba re #750135 +18:26:47 #topic #771070 Coordinate plan and requirements for cross toolchain packages in Debian +18:28:27 I sort of took executive action on this to merge these two bugs since the time to resolve the other has passed +18:28:50 right. I know wookey is here, not sure where things stand at this point? +18:29:15 well. I just sent a long reply to 771070 which has been in gestation for weeks +18:29:21 sorry it took so long +18:29:38 ok +18:30:18 Essentially the cross-toolchains team is now just working independently, having added back in a big patchset for the stuff doko took out +18:30:48 That seems to be sustainable, if not very satisfactory +18:31:13 And we are looking to see if there are ways to converge +18:31:15 more +18:31:22 cool +18:31:38 is this something that we can help at all with? Or would it be better for us to get out of the way? +18:31:48 I'm really not sure. +18:31:49 ok .. I started reading your email, wookey, but it's large enough that it'll take time for me to digest +18:32:01 wookey: OK +18:32:05 yes, I thinkg the question really is do you want to read all that, and the big wiki page +18:32:32 and see if you care to come to conclusions about what's best or leave the rest of us to see how it goes +18:32:35 yes, actually, I'm willing .. cross-compilation is something I care about, both for naked arm targets and Linux targets +18:32:51 been a while since I personally did any related toolchain work, though +18:33:08 well, this is nearly all about packaging, rather than toolchains themsevles +18:33:25 I'm more than happy for "the rest of you" to work out the right path, but when there's a disagreement, we're supposedly here to help sort it +18:33:33 apart from the multilib aspect, which does affect what your toolchain can do +18:34:46 At the moment we are trying to get 'dokos way' actually working (which is sort of is now). +18:35:11 ok +18:35:33 if that happens, likely to be the primary approach for stretch era? +18:35:34 But there are several questions about should the build really be using the old 'classic cross' paths +18:35:42 oic +18:35:43 should we insist on multilib +18:36:26 how much should be care about things like mipsn32 and pp64 (which are not in the archive so harder to support, multiarch or no +18:36:29 ) +18:36:30 ok .. I'll do more reading .. not sure there's much value in more discussion right here right now +18:36:40 unless dondelelcaro wants to chime in +18:36:54 sorry I'm late -- local transit adventures +18:36:58 not really; I'm very much a neophyte in this area +18:36:59 ugh +18:37:42 OK; shall we continue this in e-mail, then? +18:38:18 I think that makes sense +18:38:31 OK +18:38:33 #topic Additional Business +18:38:48 none here +18:38:50 I don't think I have anything concrete here +18:39:03 I should note that I've changed the default appearance for CTTE bugs in the BTS +18:39:36 I saw that .. neat +18:39:49 so you can now usertag things "consensus-seeking, discussion, drafting, published" with the tech-ctte@packages.debian.org user, and have it migrate from one state to the other +18:40:02 is this meeting nominally monthly? It just doesn;t seem long since the last one? +18:40:05 (the states are rather arbitrary, so if someone proposes something better, just go ahead and change them) +18:40:11 wookey: yeah, it's roughly monthly +18:40:20 wookey: usually the last thursday of the month +18:40:27 but, holidays... +18:40:30 wookey: we moved back last months, and moved up this month +18:40:44 #endmeeting \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/meetings/20141218/debian-ctte.2014-12-18-18.07.txt b/meetings/20141218/debian-ctte.2014-12-18-18.07.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..b1547bb --- /dev/null +++ b/meetings/20141218/debian-ctte.2014-12-18-18.07.txt @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +==================== +#debian-ctte Meeting +==================== + + +Meeting started by dondelelcaro at 18:07:58 UTC. The full logs are +available at +http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2014/debian-ctte.2014-12-18-18.07.log.html +. + + + +Meeting summary +--------------- +* Who is here? (dondelelcaro, 18:08:06) + +* Next Meeting? (dondelelcaro, 18:09:48) + +* #769972 New member selection process (dondelelcaro, 18:13:11) + * AGREED: start discussing nominees for new CTTE member + (dondelelcaro, 18:13:38) + +* #636783 constitution: super-majority bug (dondelelcaro, 18:13:44) + * ACTION: everyone to rank nominees and talk about them in e-mail + (dondelelcaro, 18:14:44) + * AGREED: shelve #636783 until january (dondelelcaro, 18:16:01) + +* #741573 menu systems and mime-support (dondelelcaro, 18:16:06) + * ACTION: keithp to present #741573 to policy and work to get + consensus (dondelelcaro, 18:18:10) + +* #762194 Automatic switch to systemd on wheezy->jessie upgrades + (dondelelcaro, 18:18:14) + * ACTION: dondelelcaro to poke vorlon about reviewing draft for + #762194, and proceed in e-mail (dondelelcaro, 18:23:41) + +* #750135 Maintainer of aptitude package (dondelelcaro, 18:23:47) + * ACTION: dondelelcaro to ping aba re #750135 (dondelelcaro, + 18:26:40) + +* #771070 Coordinate plan and requirements for cross toolchain packages + in Debian (dondelelcaro, 18:26:47) + +* Additional Business (dondelelcaro, 18:38:33) + +Meeting ended at 18:40:44 UTC. + + + + +Action Items +------------ +* everyone to rank nominees and talk about them in e-mail +* keithp to present #741573 to policy and work to get consensus +* dondelelcaro to poke vorlon about reviewing draft for #762194, and + proceed in e-mail +* dondelelcaro to ping aba re #750135 + + + + +Action Items, by person +----------------------- +* dondelelcaro + * dondelelcaro to poke vorlon about reviewing draft for #762194, and + proceed in e-mail + * dondelelcaro to ping aba re #750135 +* keithp + * keithp to present #741573 to policy and work to get consensus +* **UNASSIGNED** + * everyone to rank nominees and talk about them in e-mail + + + + +People Present (lines said) +--------------------------- +* dondelelcaro (65) +* bdale (39) +* wookey (19) +* MeetBot (2) +* Mithrandir (2) +* keithp (2) +* KGB-3 (1) +* cjwatson (1) + + + + +Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 + +.. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot